We are joined today by the co-founder of Sacred Design Lab, an ordained Unitarian Universalist minister, Sue Phillips. She is the co-author, with colleagues Angie Thurston and Casper ter Kuile, of Design for the Human Soul. We dive into the American religion and how this has shifted throughout the years. Sue reminds us of the value in tradition, as many people are grasping to design their own completely new spiritual practices.